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Re: Richard Gage prende nette distanze dal CIT
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Citazione:
Non capisco questo commento. Per quanto mi riguarda, prendo in considerazione tutto quello che è emerso recentemente, soprattutto riguardo ad esempio la nanotermite al wtc.

Ottima introduzione. Utile a sottolineare come, ognuno di noi, scelga quale atto di fede fare e verso chi ci pare. Lo dico perché immagino che tu non abbia fatto una verifica strumentale di ciò che è stato affermato nel paper sulla nanotermite. Quindi ci hai creduto per fede o fiducia, che in questo caso sono sinonimi.

Citazione:
Non credo di essere obbligato a credere alle sparate del cit, per tutti i motivi che ho esposto in vari thread, e anche perché sinceramente, in questo, credo di essere in buona compagnia (vedi il titolo di questo thread, ad esempio).

Ecco. Le sparate del cit. Qui entra il gioco l'enorme bias con cui combatti. Hai personalizzato la ricerca del cit, cosa che non hai fatto con la ricerca di Harrit. Con la piccola differenza che Harrit ha prodotto uno studio che grava sulla sua persona, in quanto esperto - mentre il CIT ha portato alla luce una serie di testimoni che descrivono qualcosa che non può essere, in nessun modo, invalidato. Lo fai come processo personale, come scelta aprioristica, ma non hai nessun potere per poterle invalidare.
I motivi che hai espresso nei vari thread sono stati puntualmente smontati con argomenti specifici e dettagliati. Compreso l'ultimo tuo post, dove hai copia incollato una lista di testimonianze che erano già state studiate e invalidate in toto da anni. Ma tu non approfondisci la questione, perché hai scelto di schierarti con quel blocco di personaggi che già in passato hanno procurato disastri fra i ricercatori, solo per erigersi a paladini dell'unica verità possibile. Quella di Loose Change, di 911 blogger, di Pickering e di quella marmaglia di egocentrici attenti solo alla propria immagine di investigatori patinati.
Roba da voltastomaco. Gente che quando è arrivata a DC si è cagata in mano e se l'è data a gambe perché non ha i coglioni di sporcarsi le mani veramente e preferisce fare il santone comodamente seduto davanti al proprio computer di casa, lanciando proclami contro chiunque non si affili alla setta. Sei in ottima compagnia, credimi. E' proprio come dici.
Citazione:
Posso avere la tua interpretazione, se ti va, di ciò che intendeva Truxton? Io ho interpretato il suo intervento come un'indicazione sulla difformità tra ciò che appare nei tracciati e ciò che i testimoni sostengono,che indica quindi che i tracciati sono doctored, come, secondo me, è il cockpit recorder di Shanksville, e questo è il motivo per cui ne ho parlato. Saludos

Lavoro con truxton da 4 anni e ci siamo smazzati tutta l'analisi dei testimoni. Molto lavoro del cit è stato fatto anche grazie al lavoro di truxton nello studio dei cmh e nell'analisi di ogni singola parola tirata fuori da decine e decine di documenti sparsi per la rete. Questo per dire che credo di conoscerlo abbastanza da dirti che non era quella la sua riflessione. Se vorrà spiegartela, lo farà lui di persona. Ma comunque non è importante.
Io posso dirti che, secondo me, il tuo approccio è palesemente scorretto. Tutte le volte che ti si risponde non prendi in considerazione nulla di quello che ti si dice e svicoli via per poi tornare con la solita solfa dei truthers e delle liste di arabesque. Uno dei peggiori disinformatori del pianeta che tu usi come fonte. Fai te.

Libero di pensarla come vuoi, siamo comunque in un confronto di opinioni. Io dico che la tua è sbagliata. Tu dici che lo è la mia.
Almeno cerca di ascoltare quello che ti si dice o se non ne hai nessuna intenzione, rifletti sull'utilità di continuare il tuo mantra contro il cit. Gli unici ricercatori ad essersi messi veramente in gioco, rischiando il culo di persona e che meritano qualcosa in più delle tue liste della spesa. Nemmeno frutto di un tuo lavoro di ricerca, ma di quello di personaggi la cui disonestà è stata comprovata da anni.
Devi affrontare i testimoni, non il cit. Devi invalidare una marea di testimonianze, prima ancora di poter spalare merda sui ricercatori che te li hanno portati alla luce.
Fino ad ora, con le tue liste della spesa, non hai spostato niente - ma solo dimostrato di essere fermo a 5 anni fa. Esattamente come Loose Change e compagnia cantante.
Amen.


Prima di tutto una questione da chiarire. Sì, hai ragione, io non sono andato al Pentagono ad ascoltare testimoni, come non ha fatto la maggior parte della gente su questo pianeta. Ciò non toglie che penso di aver diritto diritto ad una mia opinione su un forum, purché argomentata, basata sul lavoro fatto anche sul campo dagli altri.

1) Mah. Atto di fede. Quello è un paper peer-reviewed, cofirmato, con annesso materiale fotografico e dati scientifici. Se vuoi definirlo atto di fede, fai pure. Di certo le polveri del WTC non le ho analizzate io, hai ragione.

2) Sono Marquis e Ranke che personalizzano la loro ricerca, per il modo in cui si confrontano con gli altri, non io. Insisti nel dire che ho copincollato una lista. Ma io l'ho fatto per dare un esempio di ciò che si stava parlando. Conoscevo la risposta di Ranke, come conosco altre controrisposte, e via dicendo. Ognuno si può informare, nei limiti che la rete consente. Guarda che anche molti altri esponenti del movimento per la verità per l'undici settembre non concordano con le tesi che porta avanti il CIT, non solo Pickering e compagnia (pure Gage ha preso le distanze, per dire). E comunque, loro argomentano le loro tesi.
3) Ma perché sostieni che non prendo in considerazione quello che dici? Lo prendo in considerazione eccome, tant'è che ammiro moltissimo il tuo lavoro sull'11 settembre, come ho detto più volte. Non concordo con te su ciò che è avvenuto al Pentagono, pur avendo letto più volte quello che sostiene il CIT, avendo visto i vari Pentacon etc.
Prendere in considerazione seriamente qualcosa non significa necessariamente essere d'accordo.

Ho ascoltato i testimoni e non voglio portare avanti nessun mantra. Non concordo sulla disonestà di tutti coloro che non condividono le conclusioni cui giunge il CIT. In ogni caso, siamo in un forum, che vive di confronto e spero che sia ancora possibile confrontarsi liberamente, almeno su Luogocomune.
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